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[Talk-cz] [Imports] CzechAddress Import

Vlákno 27.2. - 11.3.2014, počet zpráv: 3


27.2.2014 03:04:53 (#1)
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Dalibor Jelínek

<dalibor at dalibor.cz>
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Serge, really? I was not aware that I am importing anything. If you have those last three imports in mind, then I was merely tracing RUIAN a Cadastre map by hand. Is that an import? If yes, then it is what we do here in Czech Republic since the Cadastre map was available. Which is a loooong time ago. So, if you think that this is an import, then please point me to the definition of OSM import as I would like to check it. But I have an unpleasant feeling that you are just try bullying me as I did not like your insensitive and offensive comments about the borders and history of my country. Dalibor zobrazit citaci
> -----Original Message----- > From: Serge Wroclawski [mailto:emacsen at gmail.com] > Sent: Thursday, February 27, 2014 2:06 PM > To: Dalibor Jel?nek; data at osmfoundation.org > Subject: [Spam] Re: [Imports] CzechAddress Import > > Dailbor, > > I see from your changesets > (http://www.openstreetmap.org/user/chrabros) that you are doing a > building import. Can you point me to the wiki page and or imports
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> on that building import, because I don't remember it. > > - Serge > > On Thu, Feb 27, 2014 at 8:02 AM, Serge Wroclawski <emacsen at gmail.com> > wrote: > > On Wed, Feb 26, 2014 at 10:49 PM, Dalibor Jel?nek <jelinek at jelenet.cz> > wrote: > > > >> We have added in to here > >> > >> > http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Import_adres_z_RUIAN#Background > >> > >> However these are Czech laws without English translation. > >> > >> > >> > >>> > Is it in the metadata? I did not see a link to the original data > >> > >>> > (only a search form), so it was hard to examine myself. > >> > >> > >> > >> We have added a link to sample XML file from RUIAN VDP > >> > >> > http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Import_adres_z_RUIAN#Background > >> > >> > >> > >> > >> > >>> > 2. Looking at the sample osm file you provided, I have a set of > >>> > questions: > >> > >>> > a) I'm not familiar with addr:suburb. I see the wiki entry, but > >>> > can > >> > >>> > you elaborate on this more, and why it's needed here? > >> > >> addr:suburb is a larger administrative division of a city, it > >> contains several city quaters and it is used very often in reffering > >> to a general directions in a city. > >> > >> We will create a wiki page for it later. > > > > If you want is as part of the import, it should be discussed during, > > not after the import. > > > >> The vast majority of OSM users here have never heard of boundary > relation. > >> If we want to convince them that OSM is useful (i.e. generating POI > >> files for navigation units) then we have to make the as simple as
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> > > > The vast majority of OSM users never need to know what relations are > > at all, but it does not matter, since the tools they use will do the > > right thing. We do not need to fill up the database with duplicate > > data for no reason. > > > >> The source code is here > >> > >> http://pedro.poloha.net/osm/czechaddress-sql.zip > > > > All I see in that file is sql statements for transforming the data > > you've collected and managing it. I do not see any code related to how > > you will: > > > > 1. Merge it with existing OSM data > > > > 2. Validate the data you have with ground truth > > > > Those are what I'm most concerned about. Please tell me how your > > process will handle this validation step. > > > > - Serge

7.3.2014 11:47:42 (#2)
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osm at propsychology.cz

<osm at propsychology.cz>
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Hi, All On Thu, Feb 27, 2014 at 03:04:53PM +0100, Dalibor Jel?nek wrote: zobrazit citaci
> Serge, > really? I was not aware that I am importing anything. > If you have those last three imports in mind, then I was > merely tracing RUIAN a Cadastre map by hand. > Is that an import?
Dalibor, I "imported" thousands of buildings from RUIAN also ;-))). zobrazit citaci
> But I have an unpleasant feeling that you are just try bullying me > as I did not like your insensitive and offensive comments about the borders > and history of my country.
It touches me also, i think, Czech republic exists for a longer time then OSM, so ... Let's stop this (off)-topic. I made test import into my APIDB. There are four changesets at http://mapapi.propsychology.cz/user/pedro/history , everyone can check, if the data are merged properly. We welcome _relevant_ comments. If the comments will be not relevant, we'll start the import, because we fulfilled all requirements. -- Petr

11.3.2014 01:43:04 (#3)
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Petr Vejsada

<osm at propsychology.cz>
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Hi, All, Dne P? 7. b?ezna 2014 11:47:42, osm at propsychology.cz napsal(a): zobrazit citaci
> I made test import into my APIDB. There are four changesets at > http://mapapi.propsychology.cz/user/pedro/history , everyone can check, > if the data are merged properly.
Currently is our database offline. We're loading current osm data and preparing the DB for the import. At this last moment, we decided to respect recomendation from this mailing list and we replaced tag suburb with tag borough. It's more accurate. We can't use tag district, because district is reserved for much bigger regions called "okres". Czech republic is divided to 77 "districts" or "okresu", but we don't use "district" (okres) in this import, because it's really not needed. Districts (okresy) have well defined boundaries and Nominatim can use them well. We'll write notes about the import to discussion page at https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Talk:Import_adres_z_RUIAN . We expect to start the import on end of this week. -- Petr

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