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[Talk-cz] smysl relace

Vlákno 24.6. - 25.6.2010, počet zpráv: 9


24.6.2010 10:57:58 (#1)
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Petr Holub

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Zdravim vespolek, mohl by mi prosim nekdo ozrejmit smysl techto relaci? http://www.openstreetmap.org/browse/relation/386521 http://www.openstreetmap.org/browse/relation/386520 a prip. jeste http://www.openstreetmap.org/browse/relation/414225 Vzhledem k tomu, ze nemaji zadne cleny "outer", tak mi jako multipolygony prijdou zbytecne a treba GpsMid na to tema taky pyskuje. A kdyz uz jsme u toho, tak GpsMid jeste vyjadruje nespokojenost nad nasledujicimi relacemi, kdyby se v tom chtel nekdo povrtat: http://www.openstreetmap.org/browse/relation/136348: Too many "to" in restrictio n Relation (136348) [restriction=only_straight_on type=restriction member way(43 15616) as from, member node(25310544) as via, member way(4083958) as to, member way(48579130) as to, member way(48579129) as to] http://www.openstreetmap.org/browse/relation/168319: Missing to in restriction R elation (168319) [restriction=no_left_turn type=restriction member node(22478921 ) as via, member way(4118156) as from] http://www.openstreetmap.org/browse/relation/214944: Too many "from" in restrict ion Relation (214944) [restriction=no_left_turn type=restriction member way(4083 948) as to, member node(21683519) as via, member way(4083958) as from, member wa y(48579130) as from, member way(48579129) as from] Invalid turn restriction: 0 from_connections matched for: only_straight_on from 'Jo~Ztova (construction)' (34420731) into 'Jo~Ztova (construction)' (26622597) Reason may be: way tagged with access=no or from/to swapped on oneways URL for via node: http://www.openstreetmap.org/browse/node/21289616 Invalid turn restriction: 0 to_connections matched for: only_straight_on from 'J o~Ztova (construction)' (34420731) into 'Jo~Ztova (construction)' (26622597) Reason may be: way tagged with access=no or from/to swapped on oneways URL for via node: http://www.openstreetmap.org/browse/node/21289616 Invalid turn restriction: 2 to_connections matched for: only_right_turn from 'Ma l?tova' (10115505) into 'Palack?ho t??da' (49331647) Reason may be: toWay not split at via member ToNode: 373103617 ToNode: 44976178 URL for via node: http://www.openstreetmap.org/browse/node/25950173 Invalid turn restriction: 0 to_connections matched for: only_straight_on from 'H ybe~Zova' (32761148) into 'Fibichova' (32729668) Reason may be: way tagged with access=no or from/to swapped on oneways URL for via node: http://www.openstreetmap.org/browse/node/289661207 Invalid turn restriction: 0 to_connections matched for: only_right_turn from 'Na Rybn?k?ch' (31091122) into 'Pod Lipami' (31091120) Reason may be: way tagged with access=no or from/to swapped on oneways URL for via node: http://www.openstreetmap.org/browse/node/248690790 29 turn restrictions valid Petr

25.6.2010 11:16:15 (#2)
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Pavel Zbytovský

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Nazdar, to pole a lesy ve dvou relac?ch jsou proto, ?e nemaj? vlastn? nez?vsil? hranice. Ale jako hrani?n? cesty jsou pou?it? jin? objekty. Takov?hle uspo??d?n? je logick?, kdy? nap??klad pole kon?? p?esn? u silnice, tak prost? vyu??t tu silnici jako outer cestu. Samoz?ejm? se to d? prov?st taky t?m, ?e nov? pole naklik?m p?es v?echny body silnice, ale tohle ?e?en? je m?n? syst?mov? (nebude zaru?eno, ?e to jsou fakt v?echny body t? silnice).. V JOSM je ale "radost" pracovat s ob?ma zp?soby :) R?d bych preferoval ty multipolygony, ale osobn? se jim sna??m vyhybat. M?l by toti? asi b?t pro ka?dou logick? celek jeden, co? by bylo hr?zn? moc relac?. Pavel Zbytovsk? aka zbycz 2010/6/24 Petr Holub <hopet at ics.muni.cz> zobrazit citaci
> Zdravim vespolek, > > mohl by mi prosim nekdo ozrejmit smysl techto relaci? > http://www.openstreetmap.org/browse/relation/386521 > http://www.openstreetmap.org/browse/relation/386520 > a prip. jeste > http://www.openstreetmap.org/browse/relation/414225 > Vzhledem k tomu, ze nemaji zadne cleny "outer", tak mi jako multipolygony > prijdou zbytecne a treba GpsMid na to tema taky pyskuje. > > A kdyz uz jsme u toho, tak GpsMid jeste vyjadruje nespokojenost > nad nasledujicimi relacemi, kdyby se v tom chtel nekdo povrtat: > > http://www.openstreetmap.org/browse/relation/136348: Too many "to" in > restrictio > n Relation (136348) [restriction=only_straight_on type=restriction member > way(43 > 15616) as from, member node(25310544) as via, member way(4083958) as to, > member > way(48579130) as to, member way(48579129) as to] > http://www.openstreetmap.org/browse/relation/168319: Missing to in > restriction R > elation (168319) [restriction=no_left_turn type=restriction member > node(22478921 > ) as via, member way(4118156) as from] > http://www.openstreetmap.org/browse/relation/214944: Too many "from" in > restrict > ion Relation (214944) [restriction=no_left_turn type=restriction member > way(4083 > 948) as to, member node(21683519) as via, member way(4083958) as from, > member wa > y(48579130) as from, member way(48579129) as from] > > Invalid turn restriction: 0 from_connections matched for: only_straight_on > from > 'Jo~Ztova (construction)' (34420731) into 'Jo~Ztova (construction)' > (26622597) > Reason may be: way tagged with access=no or from/to swapped on oneways > URL for via node: http://www.openstreetmap.org/browse/node/21289616 > Invalid turn restriction: 0 to_connections matched for: only_straight_on > from 'J > o~Ztova (construction)' (34420731) into 'Jo~Ztova (construction)' > (26622597) > Reason may be: way tagged with access=no or from/to swapped on oneways > URL for via node: http://www.openstreetmap.org/browse/node/21289616 > Invalid turn restriction: 2 to_connections matched for: only_right_turn > from 'Ma > l?tova' (10115505) into 'Palack?ho t??da' (49331647) > Reason may be: toWay not split at via member > ToNode: 373103617 > ToNode: 44976178 > URL for via node: http://www.openstreetmap.org/browse/node/25950173 > Invalid turn restriction: 0 to_connections matched for: only_straight_on > from 'H > ybe~Zova' (32761148) into 'Fibichova' (32729668) > Reason may be: way tagged with access=no or from/to swapped on oneways > URL for via node: http://www.openstreetmap.org/browse/node/289661207 > Invalid turn restriction: 0 to_connections matched for: only_right_turn > from 'Na > Rybn?k?ch' (31091122) into 'Pod Lipami' (31091120) > Reason may be: way tagged with access=no or from/to swapped on oneways > URL for via node: http://www.openstreetmap.org/browse/node/248690790 > 29 turn restrictions valid > > Petr > > > _______________________________________________ > Talk-cz mailing list > Talk-cz at openstreetmap.org > http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-cz >
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25.6.2010 11:43:27 (#3)
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hanoj

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> to pole a lesy ve dvou relac?ch jsou proto, ?e nemaj? vlastn? nez?vsil? > hranice. Ale jako hrani?n? cesty jsou pou?it? jin? objekty. Takov?hle > uspo??d?n? je logick?, kdy? nap??klad pole kon?? p?esn? u silnice, tak > prost? vyu??t tu silnici jako outer cestu.
*** Ten priklad je topologicky nestastny v tom, ze silnice je osa objektu o sirce cca 10-25m a pole je plosny objekt vymezeny rozhranim. Spravny priklad pro sdileni linii je rozhrani lesa s rozhranim pole, nebo hraz prehrady se silnici. hanoj

25.6.2010 11:51:29 (#4)
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Zdeněk Pražák

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tak? si mysl?m, ?e jde o ne??astn? pou?it? relac?. Tak? nikdy nepou??v?m jako hranici pole silnici nebo cestu. Hranice pol? p?ikl?d?m pouze na hranice plo?n?ch objekt? typu lesa nebo zahrady, z liniov?ch objekt? pouze na ploty ?i zdi Pra??k zobrazit citaci
> ------------ P?vodn? zpr?va ------------ > Od: hanoj <ehanoj at gmail.com> > P?edm?t: Re: [Talk-cz] smysl relace > Datum: 25.6.2010 11:43:49 > ---------------------------------------- > > to pole a lesy ve dvou relac?ch jsou proto, ?e nemaj? vlastn? nez?vsil? > > hranice. Ale jako hrani?n? cesty jsou pou?it? jin? objekty. Takov?hle > > uspo??d?n? je logick?, kdy? nap??klad pole kon?? p?esn? u silnice, tak > > prost? vyu??t tu silnici jako outer cestu. > *** Ten priklad je topologicky nestastny v tom, ze silnice je osa > objektu o sirce cca 10-25m a pole je plosny objekt vymezeny rozhranim. > > Spravny priklad pro sdileni linii je rozhrani lesa s rozhranim pole, > nebo hraz prehrady se silnici. > > hanoj > > _______________________________________________ > Talk-cz mailing list > Talk-cz at openstreetmap.org > http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-cz > > >

25.6.2010 11:54:34 (#5)
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Marek Prokop

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Ahoj, zobrazit citaci
> Tak? nikdy nepou??v?m jako hranici pole silnici nebo cestu.
Omlouv?m se, ?e trochu odbo?uji od p?vodn?ho t?matu, ale dost ?asto naraz?m na to, ?e pr?v? pole ?i les (?i administrativn? hranice) sd?l? ??ru s cestou. Jde to v JOSM n?jak snadno odd?lit? D?ky, Marek

25.6.2010 12:18:33 (#6)
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Petr Dlouhý

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D? se pou??t p??kaz "rozpojit cesty" (G). Pokud je vybr?na way, tak se po pou?it? p??kaz? odd?l? od v?ech ostatn?ch way?. Pokud je vybr?na way a z?rove? n?kter? jej? body, tak se odd?l? pouze v t?chto bodech. Po odd?len? z?stanou vybr?ny pouze body z t? waye, tak?e je mo?n? je posunout tak aby byly paraleln? s t?mi body z t? druh? waye. On Fri, 25 Jun 2010 11:54:34 +0200, Marek Prokop <marek at sovavsiti.cz> wrote: zobrazit citaci
> Ahoj, > >> Tak? nikdy nepou??v?m jako hranici pole silnici nebo cestu. > > Omlouv?m se, ?e trochu odbo?uji od p?vodn?ho t?matu, ale dost ?asto > naraz?m na to, ?e pr?v? pole ?i les (?i administrativn? hranice) sd?l? > ??ru s cestou. Jde to v JOSM n?jak snadno odd?lit? > > D?ky, > > Marek > > _______________________________________________ > Talk-cz mailing list > Talk-cz at openstreetmap.org > http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-cz
-- Petr Dlouh?

25.6.2010 12:22:44 (#7)
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Mike

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Ono jde ??ct, ?e plo?n? ?tvary (lanuse apod.) mohou sd?let hranici mezi sebou a dokonce je to ??douc?, ale plo?n? ?tvar s cestou nikdy. Exituj? v?jimky, t?eba plot je mo?n? sd?let, ale cesta nen? dobr? n?pad. Mike On 25.6.2010 11:43, hanoj wrote: zobrazit citaci
>> to pole a lesy ve dvou relac?ch jsou proto, ?e nemaj? vlastn? nez?vsil? >> hranice. Ale jako hrani?n? cesty jsou pou?it? jin? objekty. Takov?hle >> uspo??d?n? je logick?, kdy? nap??klad pole kon?? p?esn? u silnice, tak >> prost? vyu??t tu silnici jako outer cestu. > *** Ten priklad je topologicky nestastny v tom, ze silnice je osa > objektu o sirce cca 10-25m a pole je plosny objekt vymezeny rozhranim. > > Spravny priklad pro sdileni linii je rozhrani lesa s rozhranim pole, > nebo hraz prehrady se silnici. > > hanoj > > _______________________________________________ > Talk-cz mailing list > Talk-cz at openstreetmap.org > http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-cz >

25.6.2010 02:34:36 (#8)
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Pavel Zbytovský

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Je pravda, ?e silnice m??e b?t r?zn? ?irok?, ale z dat je potom jasn?, ?e pole kon?? silnic? a jej? ???ka m??e b?t upravena t?eba dal??m tagem. Z hlediska p?esnosti to nen? ide?ln?, ale p?esnost na metry je v tomto p??pad? nezaj?mav?, pro ?lov?ka, kter? ?te mapu, je d?le?it?, ?e pole kon?? siln?c? a tak to tak? renderery vykresl? v obou p??padech. Jasn?, kdy? bychom cht?li t?eba zji??ovat plochu pol?, tak n?m to nebude h?zet p?esn? v?sledky, ale toho v konceptu OSM stejn? nikdy nep?jde doc?lit. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: <http://lists.openstreetmap.org/pipermail/talk-cz/attachments/20100625/f9d94d6b/attachment.html>

25.6.2010 07:38:52 (#9)
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Mike

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Ano, je to podobn?, jako kdy? vede silnice p?es les nebo cesta polem, tak se to prost? ?vihne p?es a je to tak podobn? jako t?eba silnice na hranici lesa. Jin? v?c je, ?e ten les nebo pole je od silnice ?asto odd?len stokou a je?t? t?eba pruhem tr?vy, pak je to lep?? zakreslit o kus vedle. On 06/25/2010 02:34 PM, Pavel Zbytovsk? wrote: zobrazit citaci
> Je pravda, ?e silnice m??e b?t r?zn? ?irok?, ale z dat je potom jasn?, > ?e pole kon?? silnic? a jej? ???ka m??e b?t upravena t?eba dal??m tagem. > > Z hlediska p?esnosti to nen? ide?ln?, ale p?esnost na metry je v tomto > p??pad? nezaj?mav?, pro ?lov?ka, kter? ?te mapu, je d?le?it?, ?e pole > kon?? siln?c? a tak to tak? renderery vykresl? v obou p??padech. > > Jasn?, kdy? bychom cht?li t?eba zji??ovat plochu pol?, tak n?m to nebude > h?zet p?esn? v?sledky, ale toho v konceptu OSM stejn? nikdy nep?jde doc?lit. > > > > _______________________________________________ > Talk-cz mailing list > Talk-cz at openstreetmap.org > http://lists.openstreetmap.org/listinfo/talk-cz

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